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IronClaw
03-11-2009, 05:53 PM
At the request of the most negative person I know. GRAK, I have removed all text. Feel free to delete it.
Nice to see there are still people who have no soul and just can't wait to pounce on people trying to help everyone with their collections.
IronClaw
03-11-2009, 06:53 PM
On second thought....allowing him to gain control is not going to happen.
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/317rocky_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ
Do what you want with the thread, I'm only trying to help those who are looking for Muggs. I have all these extra Muggs and I just can't give them away. I spent a lot of money and time getting them, looking for all the most perfect boxes.
And then Grak comes in here and thinks he's better than everyone else.
elizabethlestat
03-11-2009, 06:53 PM
Grak is awesome. The end.
IronClaw
03-11-2009, 06:56 PM
Maybe for you but that's not the first impression he gave me.
QFT!
Seriously though, this guy is a scalper. While I know this isn't against the rules, I feel the need to warn collectors. People who buy toys for the sole purpose of selling them HURT the hobby. I refuse to believe this guy just has extras laying around.
People don't join a collecting forum and then dump their collection days later. That's just not how it works.
Like I said, there is no rule against you listing your scalpery auctions. Likewise there is no rule against me harping in this thread because it is not in the BST section.
elizabethlestat
03-11-2009, 07:04 PM
I'm sure the reason there was any altercation was because all your muggs are priced above retail price not including shipping...even the common ones. Instead of making that rude post about him you could have just ignored him, since you reposted the link anyway. Grak is very awesome, and likes to look out for his fellow collector.
IronClaw
03-11-2009, 07:14 PM
Well, there are a few things you are both getting wrong about me.
1) I'm not dumping my collection. I still have at least 1 of everyone I'm selling. Just because I've started to post on here doesn't mean I haven't been reading the forums for a while.
2) I'm not going to buy a bunch and GIVE them away. I have to at least recoup my expenses.
3) I'm perfectly happy with selling them at $12.50. I paid $11.47 (that's $10.99 plus tax) and ebay does charge me for listing them. Weight the box, it costs $4.80 to ship these things. So, I'm making a HUGE $1 on each one. WOW!
4) The ones that are at $14.99 at that way because K-Mart charges $12.99 to buy them.
Figure out the math people, do you see me selling these for $20+ dollars? NO, and why? Because I don't care if I make $$ off of them. There are a lot of people on here that can't find most of these muggs. I figured since I like to find them anyways, why not buy a few and put them on Ebay (since at the time, I didn't have enough posts to put them on here) and let these people get them. If they don't sell during a bid, I'm going to put them as a buy it now for like $2 more than I paid. I think that's pretty reasonable.
Call me a scalper if you want but if just trying to help people get a hold of some Muggs at pretty much my cost is scalping, then what is everyone one else on here doing?
elizabethlestat
03-11-2009, 07:23 PM
It's nice to be able to get your money back, but some of your muggs aren't worth what you paid for them. Indy collection got put on clearance at Wal-mart, and some of them, such as Hoth Han, are gathering dust on the shelves at many stores because no one wants them. Unless it's a rare mugg good luck on getting back what you paid for it.
I never said you were a scalper by the way.
Other people scalp as well and I usually call them out on it. I have to walk a fine line because since it technically not against the rules to scalp I can't just flame their threads. I still do believe me but I have to watch what I say.
If you wanted to help collectors out you would have posted them here at EXACT retail. Instead you listed them on eBay so you could make as much as possible. Leia will sell for 3X retail and Bumblebee will net you way more than retail as well.
In the end, you posted this here so you could get around the rules of the BST section and bring more attention to your scalper auctions. You know full well what some of your stuff is worth an you put it on eBay without a buy it now because you know some of them will sell for wayyyyy more.
People like you are not helping fellow collectors AT ALL. You are making it more difficult for people to find the stuff at retail.
End rant.
IronClaw
03-11-2009, 07:32 PM
And by reading the forums, I know that I will most likely by stuck with doubles of some. The kids will like that I think.
I'm not trying to be on the attack at all. I was thinking how I could help others with their collections without trying to jab everyone with high prices. That's not who I am. If I find a rare one, then I might get more than I paid for it, and of course that's good too. I just enjoy going out to a store and seeing what I can find. The hunt for me is the fun part, seeing the looks on the kid's face when they get another one makes it worth it.
I found out long ago on here that just because a Mugg might be plentiful on my area, that doesn't mean they are available everywhere.
I hold no grudges, just trying to make everyone understand where I'm coming from.
If they don't sell, then they don't. There is no harm in giving people the opportunity.
And I agree with Grak in some aspects. All my new ones are going to be Buy It Now's because I think that's more fair to the collector. I'm still not going to sell them at exactly my cost as I feel if there was a Mugg that I really wanted, I'd have no problems paying someone a few bucks more for their time and gas. So we will just continue to disagree on that particular point. And I NEVER take all that's on the shelf.
tubby34
03-15-2009, 07:32 PM
Seriously, He's trying to get his cost back. I can't blame him. I've been doing the same with my mcfarlane sportspicks.
However, if he earns that extra dollar, I would consider it lucky.
Rice923
03-15-2009, 08:13 PM
He's not really making anything from his eBay posts. He has to pay paypal and eBay listing fees. He'll make... 50 cents a piece? I guess that'll cover gas to drive them to the post office.
Yep, he only made 50 cents right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mighty-Muggs-PRINCESS-LEIA-VHTF_W0QQitemZ320348163268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item320348163268&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A13|39%3A1|240%3A1318
litepink
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
in my opinion, if someone is willing to pay alot for something, let them pay it!!! duh, if i put a mugg on ebay, and i start it at 10$ and it goes up to 50$.... SA-WEET! im not going to say "ooh, i only paid 12$ for it, i will give it to you for that much.."
im sorry, that is just STUPID!
im not even saying that this guy is a scalper... i hate that term, its lame. but grak, im sorry to say it, but you simply cant stop every scalper. its like trying to end world hunger, not gonna happen.
hjc47
03-15-2009, 08:34 PM
Yep, he only made 50 cents right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mighty-Muggs-PRINCESS-LEIA-VHTF_W0QQitemZ320348163268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item320348163268&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A13|39%3A1|240%3A1318
Well you honestly cant blame the whole thing on him in this one...the other half of the blame should go out to the buyer who was willing to shell out that amount just to get it. You can also blame it on supply and demand. I mean if you really wanted to buy a certain mugg and ebay was the only place available then so be it. Scalpers do create horrible fluctuations in the hobby market but its only because some poor smuck was willing to pay for it. If you shop smart you wont get caught up in it.
litepink
03-15-2009, 08:39 PM
If you shop smart you wont get caught up in it.
EXACTLY! shop smart! and leave other peoples business alone... thats the easiest way to deal with it, if you have a problem with it.
its obvious this topic will never end... bringing it up is just a waste of time and it just brings out so much negativity.
im more against the fact that its creating so much negativity then i am against scalping in general!
Infamous125
03-15-2009, 08:45 PM
IronClaw, if you put your items on a buy/sell/trade thread on the forum itself then you can justify trying to help people with there collections. But surely you can understand why some fellow forum members may object to you listng your items on Ebay & then attaching a link from your thread to it. But in the same breath, Grak Man, I admire they way you are so militant with your opinions on scalpers but as you have stated yourself, they guy's done nothing wrong, & is not breaking any rules, so you have no right at all to tell him to delete his thread. & Elizabethlestat, his mugg are not really that over priced. Just because you don't want to pay that price for it, someone else may. It seem like you jumped on Grak's d**k a little bit with your whole, "Grak is awesome" comment!
Infamous125
03-15-2009, 08:47 PM
Why couldn't I have put it in laymens terms like you L.P??! Well said, & nice quote!!!
In the words of Philip Wise:
"We don't argue your right to scalp. We do, in the interest of our hobby, have every right to attempt to prevent you from being successful doing it."
I might not be able to stop them but I will sure as hell try...
litepink
03-15-2009, 08:53 PM
I might not be able to stop them but I will sure as hell try...
just an FYI, you want to look out for the collectors, thats cool. but its not cool to be rude to other people. people obviously think your rude. that needs to change...
you have been warned so many times now :mad:
Yep, he only made 50 cents right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mighty-Muggs-PRINCESS-LEIA-VHTF_W0QQitemZ320348163268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item320348163268&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A13|39%3A1|240%3A1318
I was merely responding to the person above me. I find it hard to believe that quote would be considered rude.
A forum needs alternate/dissenting opinions like mine in order to function properly. I understand you have your beliefs about the subject Pink but if I am not being 'rude' as you say you should at least try to respect my opinions.
If you think my post is rude, delete it.
litepink
03-15-2009, 09:09 PM
other opinions are fine... but trust me, it comes off as rude. thats not just based off what i think, but other people as well.
just an FYI, you want to look out for the collectors, thats cool. but its not cool to be rude to other people. people obviously think your rude. that needs to change...
you have been warned so many times now :mad:
Also for every person that thinks I am rude there are 2 more that PM me with little messages about how they hate scalpers too. Just because the mods decided that scalping is okay does not mean that is what the people here want. The saddest thing to me is that, and I've said this before, this is the ONLY forum that allows it. Scalping hurts everybody!
litepink
03-15-2009, 09:21 PM
are any of them site sponsors who contribute money to the site? i think your numbers are skewed just a tad.
sorry, but if you have such a problem with it, why do you stick around so much?
go to rebelscum and check out there "recommended shopping", its filled with business' who scalp. BBTS sells the TRU exclusives for $20. They are readily available right? well thats scalping. Go bug them and fix rebelscum first. sounds like they preach things they dont follow. your rebuttal might be "well rebelscum needs sponsors", well so does the muggs forum, and you specifically made one reverse there decision. so much for any future contests :(
You clearly don't understand what scalping is. It has nothing to do with price. Scalping is about taking away the ABILITY for other collectors to find stuff at retail. BBTS does not scalp in any way shape for form. They order directly from the factory.
If you notice, I usually only get mad at the people who BLATANTLY went out to a store and bought Muggs knowing they are worth money without any intention of ever having them be part of their collection. Remember the guy who bough like 7 Jigsaws? 6 Leias? Yea, that's scalping.
litepink
03-15-2009, 09:35 PM
. BBTS does not scalp in any way shape for form. They order directly from the factory.
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where did they get Punisher and Jigsaw then? Directly from the factory? Last i checked they were TRU exclusives. seriously, i thought they were, not trying to sound sarcastic. and they are $20 too...
Yes, you do tend to pick some of the more obvious examples of scalpers, but you cant simply point out your viewpoint, you have to blast them and flame them, to the point where SPONSORS BACK OUT OF SPONSORING THE MIGHTY MUGGS FORUM. still havent heard your rebuttal for that. im expecting a "your lying" or something, but im not.
like i KEEP telling you, theres no way you will get your point across with your negativity. if it costs sponsor money than ultimately you will get banned and no one will be able to hear your side of the story. is that the best thing for collectors? if you truly believe that your viewpoint is valuable for the forums, then do so in a positive manner, or at least via PM, so potential sponsors dont see your elitist and rude comments.
I still don't think BBTS or Entertainment Earth or any of those places scalp Muggs. I support sites like that fully. While the prices are a bit higher, they allow people to avoid scalpers and acquire figures/Muggs they wouldn't normally be able to because some idiot camps outside Target every morning. You can't camp outside the Internet...
I still don't understand why sponsors would back out because of me? Is it because I support them lol?
You also make it seem like every single one of my posts is negative. Disregarding our back and forth banter in this thread, go look at some of my posts. I answer questions, comment on customs, etc. None of that stuff is negative/rude. I am only negative towards scalpers and scalping practices.
If I get banned, so be it. I'd rather go out being true to myself.
Hopefully I answered your question. I would still love to hear your rebuttal about why MMF is the only collector forum that allows blatant scalping...
Rice923
03-15-2009, 09:58 PM
Yep, he only made 50 cents right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mighty-Muggs-PRINCESS-LEIA-VHTF_W0QQitemZ320348163268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item320348163268&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A13|39%3A1|240%3A1318
I'm sorry, but I didn't happen to come across that listing since it wasn't active at the time I posted my comment. I didn't have the time to go out of my way and search for it... As for the rest of the listings that were active, I don't think any of those were overpriced in some ridiculous fashion. If someone is willing to pay "x" amount for "z" Mugg, I don't feel the seller should be blamed. If the starting price for the auction is around retail (somewhere around $10.99 USD), he is merely asking for the retail price. But since you say scalping has nothing to do with price, then nevermind any of that.
MMF allows scalping, but that is at the choice of the members. There is no suggestion from MMF to scalp. If you don't like some of the users, you are free to voice your opinion. However, I agree very much with Litepink; often times you come off excessively rude to stop a "scalper."
As for sponsors, some of your comments do hurt their potential business here. Ironically, lesavocado's link on the left side isn't working for me at the moment...:mad: As you say, some of these sponsors are purchasing directly from factory. But doesn't that also mean there is significantly less supply available to go to retail shelves?
Some valid points Rice. Online E-tailers do not limit supplies of Big Box chains so it doesn't impede buyers in any way.
In this case, I'll agree that perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on this guy. If the buyers drive up the price they are just as responsible. However, since he came out and said "I am listing this auction to help out collectors" I felt the need to explain why he wasn't helping people out at all. If people want to help collectors out, they should do so here, at cost. The rule of thumb is that if it has been on retail shelves for less than a year, cost is the maximum you can ask for the item. For items older than a year like a 2-eyed Vader, the market should decide the value. The difference is that there isn't a place in the world where you could buy a 2-eyed Vader at normal retail. The rule discourages people from doing things like what happened with Jigsaw. Hope this helps and did not come off as rude but rather informative.
elizabethlestat
03-15-2009, 10:08 PM
omg this ended days ago, and then got brought back today for some reason. As Flash would say, close this thread down!
litepink
03-15-2009, 10:08 PM
I still don't understand why sponsors would back out because of me?...
... I would still love to hear your rebuttal about why MMF is the only collector forum that allows blatant scalping...
Question 1 -because you are negative! ahhhh! you may not realize it but you are just negative! tell people there customs look like crap, that youd only pay "8.99 for them", that they look manly, etc. you may think its constructive criticism but others (including sponsors) do not. people said they are afraid to post their customs because of such criticism. I posted my customs...not claiming to be a pro or anything...and now i got a drawing of me on ebay again.:rolleyes: people who show their customs arent necessarily looking for an artists critique of them, just want to share something they are proud of. you can tell me that my customs suck, but i dont care, but i know others arent looking to get flamed just because it doesnt sell for $100. people arent looking for their customs to be worshiped either, so if you feel the need to degrade it, bump it with a comment on one you like, and leave the "bad" ones with no comments.
not to mention your threads that you deem "pointless". while sometimes i agree with you, the way you go about it publicly on the forums is another specific example.
as for Question 2- There is no rule for it. the difference in price markups for mighty muggs are so minimal that its barely ever even worth it to scalp, and when people do have any "finds" , they got it from UO, or canada, or they are selling their collection off after losing there job and need to pay rent. Ralph, Ninja, and I seem to all agree that the B/S/T actions that go on here are fine. you may view it as "supporting blatant scalping", but we all believe that it is not. even if it is blatant scalping, they will be subject to judgement by other members, and will adjust their prices accordingly.
Rice923
03-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Some valid points Rice. Online E-tailers do not limit supplies of Big Box chains so it doesn't impede buyers in any way.
In this case, I'll agree that perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on this guy. If the buyers drive up the price they are just as responsible. However, since he came out and said "I am listing this auction to help out collectors" I felt the need to explain why he wasn't helping people out at all. If people want to help collectors out, they should do so here, at cost. The rule of thumb is that if it has been on retail shelves for less than a year, cost is the maximum you can ask for the item. For items older than a year like a 2-eyed Vader, the market should decide the value. The difference is that there isn't a place in the world where you could buy a 2-eyed Vader at normal retail. The rule discourages people from doing things like what happened with Jigsaw. Hope this helps and did not come off as rude but rather informative.
I don't know much about E-tailers and what not, so I'm not commenting on those any further.
Yes, that post came out more constructive than rude. Just remember that comments like "delete this thread" and the like are very discouraging. People are more likely to listen to someone that suggests rather than throw out orders.
edit: isn't it pretty late where you guys are from?! bedtime, toodles
Pumpkin King
03-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Best
thread
ever!
Question 1 -because you are negative! ahhhh! you may not realize it but you are just negative! tell people there customs look like crap, that youd only pay "8.99 for them", that they look manly, etc. you may think its constructive criticism but others (including sponsors) do not. people said they are afraid to post their customs because of such criticism. I posted my customs...not claiming to be a pro or anything...and now i got a drawing of me on ebay again.:rolleyes: people who show their customs arent necessarily looking for an artists critique of them, just want to share something they are proud of. you can tell me that my customs suck, but i dont care, but i know others arent looking to get flamed just because it doesnt sell for $100. people arent looking for their customs to be worshiped either, so if you feel the need to degrade it, bump it with a comment on one you like, and leave the "bad" ones with no comments.
not to mention your threads that you deem "pointless". while sometimes i agree with you, the way you go about it publicly on the forums is another specific example.
as for Question 2- There is no rule for it. the difference in price markups for mighty muggs are so minimal that its barely ever even worth it to scalp, and when people do have any "finds" , they got it from UO, or canada, or they are selling their collection off after losing there job and need to pay rent. Ralph, Ninja, and I seem to all agree that the B/S/T actions that go on here are fine. you may view it as "supporting blatant scalping", but we all believe that it is not. even if it is blatant scalping, they will be subject to judgement by other members, and will adjust their prices accordingly.
Clearly we are never going to see eye-to-eye. I find it funny that you don't talk about how I made positive comments about MULTIPLE other people's customs in the past few weeks; way more than the amount of negative comments. I also feel that if you post something on a forum, you should be willing to take the good with the bad. I'll be posting my first custom in the next couple of weeks and I hope people are BRUTALLY honest. That way I am not fooled into thinking that my work is good. If you are totally happy with your own work, why post a picture of it on a forum unless you want to see what others think of it?
I'm glad that a whopping THREE of you are on the same page about an issue. God forbid we look elsewhere for advice about how to run this site. When there was a poll, the majority of people voted against scalping so even you must realize this is not a cut and dry issue.
I have been wayyyyy more positive lately after receiving my 'warning.' Like I said, read my last 10 posts (outside of this thread.) If you'd like I can quote them all for everybody!
Negative schmegative...
Pumpkin King
03-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Grak fights the good fight.
Apparently not lol. My days here are numbered I can tell!
As an act of good faith, I will no longer post in this thread. I will only post positively unless it is a scalper issue, in which case i will be as polite and informative as possible.
UPDOG
03-16-2009, 12:55 AM
I dont mind the scalping of Muggs...but I draw the line at scalping Ipod Accessories....:p
litepink
03-16-2009, 01:14 AM
I'm glad that a whopping THREE of you are on the same page about an issue.
this too, will be my last comment in the thread, but must say if this is alluding to the mods and Ralph, and this issue is accepting scalping, then your wrong because the vote in the "scalping poll" wasnt 35-3, it was closer than that...and all of the facts may not have been clear or available. if i misread this quote, well then nevermind. im really not trying to extend this any further, but if need be we should do it via PM. i could have misread this but needed to point this out if i indeed took it the right away.
like you said, the people buying from the scalpers are just as guilty, they must resist.
Claudius
03-16-2009, 01:12 PM
although he maybe abrasive at times, I do think Grak has raised the forums awareness to scalpers and any knowledge is power..so to that I say..."you go boy"
as for not charging more than retail for Muggs, in the same breath, would you demand not to pay less than retail for your Muggs...to "help a fellow collector out"--or demanding to pay $10.99 and not a penny less for those Target exclusives @ Target. This topic always makes me laugh, cause its soooo not that serious--these things are supposed to make us happy, bottom line.
oh yea, I have noticed the more positve posts, Grak! so thumbs up from this guyeee lol
now, ice cream sandwiches and popsicles for everyone!
muggcrazy
03-16-2009, 04:29 PM
You clearly don't understand what scalping is. It has nothing to do with price. Scalping is about taking away the ABILITY for other collectors to find stuff at retail. BBTS does not scalp in any way shape for form. They order directly from the factory.
If you notice, I usually only get mad at the people who BLATANTLY went out to a store and bought Muggs knowing they are worth money without any intention of ever having them be part of their collection. Remember the guy who bough like 7 Jigsaws? 6 Leias? Yea, that's scalping.
Any retailer/e-tailer that isn't Toys 'R' Us that has Punisher/Jigsaw for sale bought them right off the shelf. Thus stealing them from your grasp so they could "scalp" them right back to you. These have not been made available to any other retailers in any way shape or form. I continue to find it amusing that angry forum members, especially Grak, who is ready to martyr himself in the name of stopping the practice never call any of these businesses out. It's comical.
I remember the guy who bought "like 7 Jigsaws". How many do you think BBTS, et al bought? 200? 2000?
Stop making people not want to visit mightymuggsforum.com. Unless of course your master plan is to make it a community of one. If that's the case please just save everyone the trouble and register www.justgrak.com and hang out there.
Rice923
03-16-2009, 04:34 PM
Any retailer/e-tailer that isn't Toys 'R' Us that has Punisher/Jigsaw for sale bought them right off the shelf. Thus stealing them from your grasp so they could "scalp" them right back to you. These have not been made available to any other retailers in any way shape or form. I continue to find it amusing that angry forum members, especially Grak, who is ready to martyr himself in the name of stopping the practice never call any of these businesses out. It's comical.
I remember the guy who bought "like 7 Jigsaws". How many do you think BBTS, et al bought? 200? 2000?
Stop making people not want to visit mightymuggsforum.com. Unless of course your master plan is to make it a community of one. If that's the case please just save everyone the trouble and register www.justgrak.com and hang out there.
No need to instigate this topic. The point has already been made, and both Grak and Litepink has decided to let this thread go.
GarciaM25
03-16-2009, 08:24 PM
I continue to find it amusing that angry forum members, especially Grak, who is ready to martyr himself in the name of stopping the practice never call any of these businesses out. It's comical.
Some things fly and some things sink - he brings out the big guns when a member scams another member for ONE mugg, posts all this insane personal information about them, but its okay for members to post Venom's for $35, SDCC Iron Man for $60 and more...... why are THEY scalpers? And don't mention customs that are going for $200 each on eBay, that's a WHOLE other story and that's not considering scalping in the least.......
I've never been on a forum where ONE PERSON brings it down so much and still nothing is done about it, weeks after I was told the situation was being looked into! Ridiculous, absolutely......
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