Father at age 13...

[Run L1ke H3LL]

LINK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece)
That is absolutely ridiculous. Definitely read the whole article it explains everything. Then comment here, I'm curious to see what you guys think.

[Pumpkin King]

Wild stuff

sex at 12 huh? scary

[true]

He can be a grandpa at 25 :) His parents must be proud

[Green Eggs and Death]

I think that boy looks like he's my eight-year-old son's age, and I cannot even imagine what on Earth can be going through his mind now. His dad says it's time to have the "birds and the bees" talk with him. "Some may say it's too late," dad says ... yeah, no kidding, it's too late. It's quite sad, but it's a lovely little baby.

It's difficult for me to get angry at this. Yes, it's terribly wrong and, frankly, I have to wonder what kind of parenting those two kids got, but it's just incredibly sad. I wish that little baby the best. I wish the little father could've just continued to be a kid.

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Yea it's too bad the father won't be able to experience a real child hood like he could have had. I'm not getting angry either, this makes me more upset than anything, the kid looks 8! He said he didn't even know what he was doing cause it was his first time. I blame the 15 year old mother, she should have had more sense than that.

[Cyberscream]

I heard about this. Wow. I wonder what the hell he was thinking.

[Pumpkin King]

Where were his/her parents? How were they alone at that age for long enough to have sex?

[karmakramer]

this is old news...the crazy thing is that a day or too ago, they found out that there is another 14 and 15 year old that are also claiming theyre the father...probably a publicity stunt, but just makes it that much more disgusting...he may have the record for being the youngest, but you add a year to two to his age and this sort of shit happens all the time in america...whats new with our messed up world?

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Where were his/her parents? How were they alone at that age for long enough to have sex?

The article says that his father allowed him to sleep over his girlfriends house. He even kept an extra school uniform there to wear the next day.
I guess he never expected his 12 year old son (who looks 8) to get laid.

[karmakramer]

Where were his/her parents? How were they alone at that age for long enough to have sex?

haha, dont be naive...dont underestimate kids now a days...a 13 year old is an 8th grader or freshman in HS...

[Run L1ke H3LL]

haha, dont be naive...dont underestimate kids now a days...a 13 year old is an 8th grader or freshman in HS...

See the post I made right above yours.

[Pumpkin King]

Maybe I am just an over strict parent.

[Pumpkin King]

12 yrs old is like 6th , maybe starting 7th

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Maybe I am just an over strict parent.

Maybe your just a good parent.

[Pumpkin King]

and strict :)

[Pumpkin King]

I have two girls. One almost 4 and one just turned 8 for the record

[karmakramer]

Maybe I am just an over strict parent.
times have changed man...i heard about kids doin coke and meth at my old HS...



12 yrs old is like 6th , maybe starting 7th
i was a 13 yr old freshman when i was in HS

[Green Eggs and Death]

The article says that his father allowed him to sleep over his girlfriends house. He even kept an extra school uniform there to wear the next day.
I guess he never expected his 12 year old son (who looks 8) to get laid.

No, it says he stays at his girlfriend's house now, ostensibly to help take care of the baby. He didn't live with his father, just his mum.

Regardless, it's not like they had to be alone for long. If there is one thing I've learned as a parent, it's that no matter how much you want to, you cannot be with your kid(s) 24/7. However, you CAN teach them correctly so that you don't have to be.

I don't underestimate a 12 or 13 year old (my wife teaches junior high school), but it'd be easier to think of him that way if he didn't look so darn young. Damn it, the only things a 13-year-old should be worried about are his grades, which Mighty Muggs to ask for/get, what time his favorite tv shows are on and his folks/siblings, NOT how to change a freakin' diaper.

[Pumpkin King]

times have changed man...i heard about kids doin coke and meth at my old HS...



i was a 13 yr old freshman when i was in HS

The hell? My 8 year old is in 2nd grade...

wait, freshman is 9th grade, right? Least it was in my high school

[Pumpkin King]

I live by one rule, don't let them out of your sight. No staying all night at someone house etc No going out with so and so. Nothing

[karmakramer]

you all make it seem like sex with this age group (12-15) is foreign...dont read the news much? statistics regarding sex and teens? oprah or even tyra? this kind of stuff is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me reconsider bringing a child into this world...

[Green Eggs and Death]

I live by one rule, don't let them out of your sight. No staying all night at someone house etc No going out with so and so. Nothing

Sucker. Two girls. Heh, I kid my brother about his daughter ... and she's only six months old. I don't envy y'all.

Well, maybe a little. ;)

[Pumpkin King]

Oprah and Tyra? Good God :)

[Pumpkin King]

Sucker. Two girls. Heh, I kid my brother about his daughter ... and she's only six months old. I don't envy y'all.

Well, maybe a little. ;)

I have several hockey sticks...

[karmakramer]

The hell? My 8 year old is in 2nd grade...

wait, freshman is 9th grade, right? Least it was in my high school

yeah, i have a relatively late bday (oct) so:

freshman was 13 -> 14

sophomore was 14 ->15

so, technically i guess i was 14

[Pumpkin King]

I lost my virginity around 14 so I do understand how it CAN happen

[karmakramer]

Oprah and Tyra? Good God :)

hehe, i have a lot more days off than i used to...LOL...its either that, TBS, or travel channel...or MMF!!! :p

[Pumpkin King]

hehe, i have a lot more days off than i used to...LOL...its either that, TBS, or travel channel...or MMF!!! :p

Just stay online

[Run L1ke H3LL]

No, it says he stays at his girlfriend's house now, ostensibly to help take care of the baby. He didn't live with his father, just his mum.

I could only find this quote:

Chantelle and Maisie were released from hospital yesterday. They are living with Penny, Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in a rented council house in Eastbourne. The family live on benefits. Alfie, who lives on an estate across town with mum Nicola, 43, spends most of his time at the Steadmans’ house.

He is allowed to stay overnight and even has a school uniform there so he can go straight to his classes in the morning.
I couldn't find anything that says that he lives there with his GF. You were right, I thought he lived with his dad, my bad.

[Green Eggs and Death]

you all make it seem like sex with this age group (12-15) is foreign...dont read the news much? statistics regarding sex and teens? oprah or even tyra? this kind of stuff is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me reconsider bringing a child into this world...

You pretty much ruined your post when you mentioned Oprah and Tyra. Is this the same Oprah that thought there were OVER 9000 members of a sexual predator forum (or group) one time, and said so on the air? And Tyra Banks is, quite frankly, a waste of oxygen.

We're not naive. We're not ignorant. We realize these things go on. It doesn't make it less depressing or sad.

[Pumpkin King]

Tyra...really? Man, she is...special...

[Green Eggs and Death]

I could only find this quote:

I couldn't find anything that says that he lives there with his GF. You were right, I thought he lived with his dad, my bad.

"Stays" "Is allowed to stay" - same thing. ;) Just sayin' that was POST childbirth, not before.

I, also, was 13 when I entered 9th grade (Freshman). Late birthday, as well. Turned 14 a month and a half in. I remember it as if it were only 28 years ago.

[karmakramer]

haha, i just thought those would be the attention getting names to throw out that frequently brush on the subject...you know what i meant...

[Green Eggs and Death]

haha, i just thought those would be the attention getting names to throw out that frequently brush on the subject...you know what i meant...

Well, where was Montell? :eek::p

[Run L1ke H3LL]

haha, i just thought those would be the attention getting names to throw out that frequently brush on the subject...you know what i meant...

Well you got our attention, haha.
The mom's family receives aid, I bet she's gonna start doing the same thing.
BTW, the mom is f***ing ugly as f***. Jeez that poor kid doesn't even know.

[Green Eggs and Death]

That's not nice, Run. Not every mom can look like Tyra.

all right, all right, perhaps she isn't a TOTAL waste of oxygen.

[Run L1ke H3LL]

That's not nice, Run. Not every mom can look like Tyra.

all right, all right, perhaps she isn't a TOTAL waste of oxygen.

Ugg-uhhh,
Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little.
So wait, did you just say Tyra is good looking? Have you seen that forehead? Wait, how could you miss it?

[Pumpkin King]

It's like she is running out from underneath her hair!

[Green Eggs and Death]

What I WROTE was that not every mom can look like Tyra = True.:p
AND that she wasn't a TOTAL waste of oxygen. Interpret that as you will. ;)

Come on, she can brush her hair over that forehead, man. She is pretty darn attractive (kid-friendly forum comment). She just doesn't need to have her own show or, to be more specific, people don't need to listen to what she says. Please, people!

[Run L1ke H3LL]

It's like she is running out from underneath her hair!

She could sell advertising space on that forehead of hers.

[Run L1ke H3LL]

What I WROTE was that not every mom can look like Tyra = True.:p
AND that she wasn't a TOTAL waste of oxygen. Interpret that as you will. ;)

Come on, she can brush her hair over that forehead, man. She is pretty darn attractive (kid-friendly forum comment)

I guess the saying is true.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
(Good Twilight Zone episode btw).

[Pumpkin King]

She is hot...until she speaks. Her forehead would not be noticed at all from beh........you get it.

[zepo23]

Haha i agree, the kid looks smarter than the mom.
But uhh, the thing that stuck out to me is what the kid said
“I didn’t know what it would be like to be a dad. I will be good, though, and care for it.”
Maybe it's just me but shouldn't he be calling the baby a him or her?
To me it seems like the kid is just looking at his baby like some sort of pet, not even a person...
Or do we not establish gender/sex until a certain age?
Kinda sad, but i couldnt care less.
They get universal healthcare over there tho, so that wont suck 1.3million+ taxpayer dollars out of just one state...

[Green Eggs and Death]

To be honest, I've slipped a couple of times and called my boys "it" ... and, believe me, my wife has called me on it every time. But, yeah, I noticed that, also.

And, yes, a 13 and 15 year old cannot be compared to a woman who willing has eight mor .... ah, forget it, I better not start.

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Haha i agree, the kid looks smarter than the mom.
But uhh, the thing that stuck out to me is what the kid said
“I didn’t know what it would be like to be a dad. I will be good, though, and care for it.”
Maybe it's just me but shouldn't he be calling the baby a him or her?
To me it seems like the kid is just looking at his baby like some sort of pet, not even a person...
Or do we not establish gender/sex until a certain age?
Kinda sad, but i couldnt care less.
They get universal healthcare over there tho, so that wont suck 1.3million+ taxpayer dollars out of just one state...

Careful, Obama's looking to adopt their model and institute universal health care here in the states.
I agree with you though, the kid does not stand they gravity of this situation AT ALL.

[Pumpkin King]

At least the kid means well and is trying to do the right thing. Right now anyway, no way to fully wrap your brain around this at age 12-13

[Green Eggs and Death]

There is no way they SHOULD understand the gravity of the situation. They shouldn't be IN this position, but they certainly should've, at the very least, been prepared for it. TOLD about what would happen. THAT is the problem. The bigger problem is that even with good parents, that tell their kids EVERYthing and teach them correctly, there are still kids (and these ARE kids, sorry if you're the same age, but) that will do as they will regardless, and won't learn it unless they live it.

[karmakramer]

cant wait for someone to offer them a show...

[Green Eggs and Death]

cant wait for someone to offer them a show...

Perhaps if they were here, in America.
As it is, I'm looking forward to 14 is Enough. :mad:

[Run L1ke H3LL]

cant wait for someone to offer them a show...

Haha, I would only watch it if the mom wore a bag over her head.

[zepo23]

Careful, Obama's looking to adopt their model and institute universal health care here in the states.
I agree with you though, the kid does not stand they gravity of this situation AT ALL.

He's not looking to adopt universal healthcare, he's looking to adopt something similar...People wouldn't want "social medicine"...
I'm for universal healthcare.
It's better we all take little hits as a nation (when paying more taxes) rather than taking big hits as individuals (when paying for a huge, bankrupcty causing bill).
that's what we americans lack, in my opinion.
"Togetherness"

[Green Eggs and Death]

Wrong. I don't need to be responsible for your healthcare and conversely, you don't need to be responsible for mine. And NEITHER of us needs our government telling us how to live our lives (heck, more than they do already). I already pay for my Medical needs and those of my family. I am in no way responsible for anyone elses'. And I'm a nice guy.

Let me ask you, would you want ME telling you what to eat? How much to exercise? To smoke or not smoke? Drink or not drink? 'Cause I can tell you, if I have to pay for your Medical costs, I darn well better be able to have control of your decisions. I know that's not what you want.

[Run L1ke H3LL]

He's not looking to adopt universal healthcare, he's looking to adopt something similar...People wouldn't want "social medicine"...
I'm for universal healthcare.
It's better we all take little hits as a nation (when paying more taxes) rather than taking big hits as individuals (when paying for a huge, bankrupcty causing bill).
that's what we americans lack, in my opinion.
"Togetherness"

No, what we as Americans lack is the initiative to take responsibility. Why should I have to pay for everyone else? Everyone just wants things handed to them today, like they "deserve" it, just for living in the country. No, you'll deserve it when you get off your ass and start working for it.

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Wrong. I don't need to be responsible for your healthcare and conversely, you don't need to be responsible for mine. And NEITHER of us needs our government telling us how to live our lives (heck, more than they do already). I already pay for my Medical needs and those of my family. I am in no way responsible for anyone elses'. And I'm a nice guy.

Let me ask you, would you want ME telling you what to eat? How much to exercise? To smoke or not smoke? Drink or not drink? 'Cause I can tell you, if I have to pay for your Medical costs, I darn well better be able to have control of your decisions. I know that's not what you want.

Beat me to it, and said it better than me.
Did I mention I love you?
Oh darn their I go again, sorry.

[zepo23]

That is true about the telling us what to do, people shouldnt be telling us what to do.
I guess im a lil naive when it comes to people.
I don't like to think that theyd take advantage of the system and all that crap, cuz they "deserve" it...
Wouldn't we be making the same sacrifices tho? Us lazy ass people with no initiative to take responsibility? Wouldn't we be paying the same taxes (that will cover the healthcare costs) you hardworking responsible asses do?
Even if we're paying for a bunch of other peoples' needs, aren't we paying somewhat less in the long run?
Also, wouldn't your mind change if you lose your job (do to sickness) and don't have a way of paying your medical bills?
Maybe i need to look more into the whole universal hc thing, look more into restrictions and stuff, but I'm just saying the idea of having that security, of not going bankrupt because you are unfortunate enough to get sick to that point...that's a good thing to have.
We don't know the people who will be hospitalized by our tax money, we can't say they're lazy ass unresponsible people just taking advantage of our system. Of course there are people like that, but to assume that the majority is like that, idk again i guess im a little naive....
Buttt then again, alottt of people who go to the hospitals are old people, so idk...

[Run L1ke H3LL]

That is true about the telling us what to do, people shouldnt be telling us what to do.
I guess im a lil naive when it comes to people.
I don't like to think that theyd take advantage of the system and all that crap, cuz they "deserve" it...
Wouldn't we be making the same sacrifices tho? Us lazy ass people with no initiative to take responsibility? Wouldn't we be paying the same taxes (that will cover the healthcare costs) you hardworking responsible asses do?
Even if we're paying for a bunch of other peoples' needs, aren't we paying somewhat less in the long run?
Also, wouldn't your mind change if you lose your job (do to sickness) and don't have a way of paying your medical bills?
Maybe i need to look more into the whole universal hc thing, look more into restrictions and stuff, but I'm just saying the idea of having that security, of not going bankrupt because you are unfortunate enough to get sick to that point...that's a good thing to have.
We don't know the people who will be hospitalized by our tax money, we can't say they're lazy ass unresponsible people just taking advantage of our system. Of course there are people like that, but to assume that the majority is like that, idk again i guess im a little naive....
Buttt then again, alottt of people who go to the hospitals are old people, so idk...
You might be paying the same percentage of taxes based on your income, if you're even paying taxes at all, but definitely not the same amount as my family and I (not you, I'm talking in general).
If I lost my job due to illness, I would already be receiving disability and unemployment insurance/benefits. Why would I need any more help? And if Obama did adopt this which he DOES want to, why would any one want this? Even in Canada where they have Universal Healthcare, the big guys in power say that it's the worst thing they could have ever done, by instituting it.
If I can afford it why shouldn't I be able to pay for private healthcare?
Why should I have to walk into a hospital or doctors office and wait hours and hours on end for other people, who I'm probably paying for, to go before me?

[e0rtm0de]

EPIC WIN...

no scratch that...

FAIL

[litepink]

i didnt read through EVERY post, but did anyone think of this:

FATHER AND CHILD COULD (possibly) GO TO SCHOOL AT THE SAME TIME. Kindergarten and a Senior. thats funny and wrong.

[Sawyer]

at 12 i was too busy playing on my N64 and playing baseball

how the times have changed

[zepo23]

at 12 i was too busy playing on my N64 and playing baseball

how the times have changed

Mega True.



yes i lost my arguing spirit for now....
for nowwww

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Apparently the father of the 12 year old wants him to get a DNA test to see if he's actually the dad.
Also, 3 other boys have come out saying that they had sex with her.
Maybe the little boy isn't the dad after all.

[zepo23]

I thought it was two other boys?
let the arguing begin >:]

[Run L1ke H3LL]

I thought it was two other boys?
let the arguing begin >:]

Hahaha, I thought it was 3 others...whatever.

[White Lion]

When I was in elementary School a kid there, who was 10, had a 23 year old moth (his real mother) that's just stupid to have sex at such a young age, what are people thinking when they do that?

[Green Eggs and Death]

Lord, that's even worse. Imagine how screwed up this kid is going to be if it turns out he's NOT the father. I didn't want to say anything about the girl before, and I suppose I don't have to. Things are speakin' for themselves.

And, Litepink ... jeez. I suppose that did cross my mind, but to see it in writing. Man.:eek:

[Run L1ke H3LL]

When I was in elementary School a kid there, who was 10, had a 23 year old moth (his real mother) that's just stupid to have sex at such a young age, what are people thinking when they do that?

Yea I agree, sex at such a young age is ridiculous. No wonder it's illegal to do it under age 18. Now if only they were stricter with the law.

[zepo23]

Yea I agree, sex at such a young age is ridiculous. No wonder it's illegal to do it under age 18. Now if only they were stricter with the law.

is it?
i thot minors could have sex with other minors???
let the arguing begin >:]

[Run L1ke H3LL]

is it?
i thot minors could have sex with other minors???
let the arguing begin >:]

Are you doing this on purpose now? LMAO!!
It is illegal for minors to have sex, no exceptions at all.

[zepo23]

Are you doing this on purpose now? LMAO!!
It is illegal for minors to have sex, no exceptions at all.

No noo dude.
That's just, not true...

[Run L1ke H3LL]

No noo dude.
That's just, not true...

Yes, yes, yes

[zepo23]

Yes, yes, yes

Ok i checked the penal code.
teehee :D
its a misdemeanor for less than 3 age difference b/n minor an adult.
felony anything more.
and, crap, i didnt check b/n minors :/
someone check the penal code for me?
:]

[Run L1ke H3LL]

Ok i checked the penal code.
teehee :D
its a misdemeanor for less than 3 age difference b/n minor an adult.
felony anything more.
and, crap, i didnt check b/n minors :/
someone check the penal code for me?
:]

I don't know how it is in California but in NY, I'm pretty sure it's a felony involving anyone underage.
It's a state decision.

[zepo23]

I don't know how it is in California but in NY, I'm pretty sure it's a felony involving anyone underage.
It's a state decision.

What happened to bye now?
let the arguing begin >:]

[Sawyer]

When I was in elementary School a kid there, who was 10, had a 23 year old moth (his real mother) that's just stupid to have sex at such a young age, what are people thinking when they do that?

can we say milf

hahah

[deadpool]

geez... the parents are to blame.. parents should be strict and parents should at least educate their children about the consequences of starting a family at an early age.. if it needs scaring them then they should.. thats what my parents used to do when i had the knowledge bout the birds and the bees thing.. over and over again they reminded us that if we do decide to have our own family they wont be there to support us.. start a family and we are out of the house.. coz thats what their parents used to teach them... my parents when they started to have a family they told us they have prepared for everything without relying on their parents(our gramps).. the problem with these kids nowadays they are so confident and not afraid to start their own family at an early age because they believe that their parents would be there to take care of the baby.. my suggestion educate them if they need scarin scare them..

[Green Eggs and Death]

So, last night I just happened to be watchin' TV (I don't watch much, but my wife's Novelas were over and I was with her), and they had some clips of a brief "interview" with the kid, his daughter and the mother. First of all, the pictures do not lie, he not only looks 8, and he's half her size (even allowing for recent pregnancy). Second, someone asked him about what they were going to do, financially, and he said "what's financially?" and the girl laughed. So cute. :(

They then said that his dad sold the pics of him and his baby to one of the British tabloids (should have assumed that, of course). No word on the amount.

I feel more sorry for that guy and the baby than I did. Everyone ELSE, however, get nothing but my disgust. :mad:

[Run L1ke H3LL]

geez... the parents are to blame.. parents should be strict and parents should at least educate their children about the consequences of starting a family at an early age.. if it needs scaring them then they should.. thats what my parents used to do when i had the knowledge bout the birds and the bees thing.. over and over again they reminded us that if we do decide to have our own family they wont be there to support us.. start a family and we are out of the house.. coz thats what their parents used to teach them... my parents when they started to have a family they told us they have prepared for everything without relying on their parents(our gramps).. the problem with these kids nowadays they are so confident and not afraid to start their own family at an early age because they believe that their parents would be there to take care of the baby.. my suggestion educate them if they need scarin scare them..

I know what you mean, though, in a different way. My parents always told me if I did f*** up and get a girl pregnant they would be there to help and take care of it. They always told me never to have an abortion or to be afraid of telling them.
They did tell me however, that my life would be ruined if I did get a girl pregnant. They made it abundantly clear how it would be nearly impossible to fulfill any of the goals I have planned for my life.
Ohh, and they constantly remind me to use protection. It's freaking annoying and embarrassing.

[Green Eggs and Death]

Turns out the kid isn't the father. Apparently, there weren't just a couple of other guys waiting in the wings (so to speak), there were several. And, again, I believe I don't need to say anymore about the girl/mom.

Oh, and after hearing more about the boy/ex-father well, I don't feel sorry for that kid anymore, eithe

[mullenje]

my son is two and im gonna have "the talk" with him a lot sooner than i thought. thanks for the eye opener, run like h3ll.

[momonster]

dude, the mom doesn't even look 15, she looks a bit older, or maybe it's just me. whatever, but sex at 12? wow. . . then again there are those who do get pregnant or become dads even at that age. it's just saddening to hear because i bet that some parents don't even talk to their children about sex and they leave it all up to the school, and when parents FINALLY do talk to their kids, it's too late, because they're already sexually active. i mean that's how my parents are, they never talked to me about sex when i was starting high school, when they should have, or at least i preferred them to have. i know it'd be awkward but at least they would be talking to me about it and how to be safe and whatnot. i had to just learn on my own. i already knew the consequences and i don't want to deal with that. it's a really big responsibility to have a kid, in my opinion, when you have a kid it's like you have to make sacrifices, i know it probably doesn't make sense because i'm not very good w/explanations and all, so sorry; but think about those teen parents, they can't really go out much and just hang out w/friends because they now have a kid at like 16 or whatever. . .my mother just BARELY decided to talk to me about it when i'm like 18 now. to me it seems as if though there are a lot of teen pregnancies out there now, ranging from like 13-17. it's crazy!

[momonster]

geez, i just wrote like an entire essay or something, didn't realize i was typing so much. haha sorry.

[Sue Storm]

I'm sure this is old news but he's not the father according to this link and I've seen this on other reports, too! But either way it's gross!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=37526

[evo_dadi]

whoa!! :eek:

[Motormaniac801]

OMFG... what is this world commin to???